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DeepSeek V4-Pro vs GLM-5.1

Which one should you ship with? Here is the side-by-side panel verdict, pricing read, reviewer split, and community vote comparison.

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Foundation Models

DeepSeek V4-Pro

1.6T-param MoE model, 1M context, Nvidia-free — just dropped Apache 2.0

Ship

75%

Panel ship

Community

Paid

Entry

DeepSeek just dropped V4-Pro and V4-Flash simultaneously — and it's a statement release. V4-Pro packs 1.6 trillion total parameters in a MoE architecture with only 49B active per token, a 1-million-token context window, and a hybrid attention system (Compressed Sparse Attention + Heavily Compressed Attention) that requires just 27% of single-token inference FLOPs compared to V3.2. Both models are Apache 2.0. The hardware story is arguably the bigger news: V4 was trained entirely on Huawei Ascend 950PR chips, zero NVIDIA. That's a geopolitical and technical milestone — it validates China's domestic AI compute stack at frontier scale. The Engram Memory System gives V4 conditional context recall (94% at 128K tokens vs ~45% for V3.2), enabling genuinely long-context reasoning. V4-Flash at 284B parameters (13B active) is the cheaper, faster sibling for production use. Pricing is expected around $0.30/M tokens for Pro. The timing — released to HN today with 99+ points within hours — confirms this as an immediate conversation in the developer community about whether open-weight frontier models have finally matched proprietary ones.

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Language Models

GLM-5.1

Open-weight #1 on SWE-bench Pro — built with zero Nvidia GPUs

Ship

100%

Panel ship

Community

Paid

Entry

GLM-5.1 is a 744B Mixture-of-Experts model from Z.ai (formerly Zhipu AI) that achieved 58.4% on SWE-bench Pro—making it the first open-weight model to top the global coding benchmark leaderboard, edging out GPT-5.4 (57.7%) and Claude Opus 4.6 (57.3%). Available on HuggingFace under the MIT license, it's one of the most permissively licensed frontier-grade coding models that exists. The model runs with 40B active parameters despite its 744B total size, offers a 200K context window, and was refined specifically for coding and agentic tasks through reinforcement learning. The training story is remarkable: Z.ai has been on the US Entity List since January 2025, cutting off access to Nvidia data center GPUs entirely. The entire GLM-5 training run used approximately 100,000 Huawei Ascend 910B chips. For open-source practitioners, GLM-5.1 is a landmark: a frontier-class coding model with MIT weights and benchmark numbers that would have seemed impossible from a China-sanctioned lab a year ago. The hardware independence angle raises pointed questions about chip export control effectiveness—and suggests the Ascend 910B has become a genuinely competitive training platform at massive scale.

Decision
DeepSeek V4-Pro
GLM-5.1
Panel verdict
Ship · 3 ship / 1 skip
Ship · 4 ship / 0 skip
Community
No community votes yet
No community votes yet
Pricing
Open Source (Apache 2.0) / ~$0.30/MTok API
Open Source (MIT)
Best for
1.6T-param MoE model, 1M context, Nvidia-free — just dropped Apache 2.0
Open-weight #1 on SWE-bench Pro — built with zero Nvidia GPUs
Category
Foundation Models
Language Models

Reviewer scorecard

Builder
80/100 · ship

Apache 2.0 with 1M context and frontier-level benchmarks changes the commercial calculus entirely. Self-host for sensitive workloads, use the API for production — the 49B active params means reasonable inference costs if you have the hardware.

80/100 · ship

The primitive here is a frontier-grade, MIT-licensed MoE coding model you can self-host — 40B active params at inference time despite 744B total weights, 200K context, no usage restrictions, no API keys before hello-world. The DX bet is correct: by releasing on HuggingFace under MIT, Z.ai put the complexity where it belongs — in your infra choices, not their licensing desk. SWE-bench Pro at 58.4% isn't a marketing claim; it's the same eval that humbled GPT-5 and Opus 4, and if you're running code agents in production today, the absence of a closed-API dependency is worth more than a 1% benchmark gap in either direction.

Skeptic
45/100 · skip

Benchmark claims from DeepSeek have historically been hard to independently replicate at launch. The Huawei chip story is compelling but also means the Western open-source deployment story requires significant hardware work. And 1.6T parameters is not consumer hardware territory.

80/100 · ship

Direct competitors are GPT-5 and Claude Opus 4 via API — both closed, both more expensive to run at scale, both with usage policies that can yank access. GLM-5.1 breaks at the infrastructure layer: you need serious hardware to serve 744B MoE at any latency that matters for interactive coding agents, and most teams don't have that. But the benchmark numbers are independently verifiable, the MIT license is unambiguous, and the Ascend 910B training story isn't PR spin — it's a geopolitical datapoint with real implications. What kills this in 12 months isn't a competitor; it's that cloud providers will offer managed endpoints and the 'open weights' story becomes theoretical for 90% of users. That said, the weights are real and the numbers are real, so: ship.

Futurist
80/100 · ship

V4's Nvidia-free training stack is a geopolitical inflection point as much as a technical one. It proves the export control strategy isn't containing China's AI progress — and gives the global open-source community a frontier model with no licensing restrictions.

80/100 · ship

The thesis this model bets on: chip export controls do not prevent frontier-class model training, and open-weight frontier models will become the infrastructure layer for commercial software development within 24 months. Both claims are now empirically stronger because of this release — 100,000 Ascend 910Bs producing a SWE-bench leader is the single most important data point on export control effectiveness since the controls were imposed. The second-order effect is the one that matters: if Huawei's Ascend stack is a credible frontier-training platform at scale, the assumption that Nvidia controls the ceiling of what's possible outside the US just broke. The open-weights + MIT license trend is on-time, not early — but GLM-5.1 is the first model to make that trend undeniable at coding-benchmark-frontier quality.

Creator
80/100 · ship

A 1M-token context model at $0.30/MTok Apache 2.0 means long-form creative projects — novels, screenplays, brand bibles — can finally be processed holistically. The Flash variant's low cost makes it accessible even for creative side projects with tight budgets.

No panel take
Founder
No panel take
80/100 · ship

The buyer for self-hosted GLM-5.1 is any team spending five figures monthly on closed coding-model APIs who also has compliance requirements that prohibit data leaving their infra — a real and growing cohort. Z.ai's actual moat isn't the weights (MIT means anyone can fine-tune and redistribute); it's that they've now proven they can train at this level without Nvidia, which means they're not blocked from the next iteration while US-sanctioned labs sit in hardware purgatory. The business risk is that MIT licensing is a distribution play, not a revenue play — Z.ai needs to convert open-weight credibility into enterprise API or cloud contracts fast, before the weights become a commodity that funds their competitors' fine-tunes.

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