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DeepSeek V4-Pro vs OpenMythos

Which one should you ship with? Here is the side-by-side panel verdict, pricing read, reviewer split, and community vote comparison.

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Foundation Models

DeepSeek V4-Pro

1.6T-param MoE model, 1M context, Nvidia-free — just dropped Apache 2.0

Ship

75%

Panel ship

Community

Paid

Entry

DeepSeek just dropped V4-Pro and V4-Flash simultaneously — and it's a statement release. V4-Pro packs 1.6 trillion total parameters in a MoE architecture with only 49B active per token, a 1-million-token context window, and a hybrid attention system (Compressed Sparse Attention + Heavily Compressed Attention) that requires just 27% of single-token inference FLOPs compared to V3.2. Both models are Apache 2.0. The hardware story is arguably the bigger news: V4 was trained entirely on Huawei Ascend 950PR chips, zero NVIDIA. That's a geopolitical and technical milestone — it validates China's domestic AI compute stack at frontier scale. The Engram Memory System gives V4 conditional context recall (94% at 128K tokens vs ~45% for V3.2), enabling genuinely long-context reasoning. V4-Flash at 284B parameters (13B active) is the cheaper, faster sibling for production use. Pricing is expected around $0.30/M tokens for Pro. The timing — released to HN today with 99+ points within hours — confirms this as an immediate conversation in the developer community about whether open-weight frontier models have finally matched proprietary ones.

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Models

OpenMythos

Open reconstruction of Claude Mythos using Recurrent-Depth Transformers

Mixed

50%

Panel ship

Community

Paid

Entry

OpenMythos is a community-driven theoretical reconstruction of Claude Mythos's suspected architecture, implementing a Recurrent-Depth Transformer (RDT) — a looped transformer that recycles layers multiple times per forward pass for deeper reasoning without massive parameter growth. The project drew 10,100 GitHub stars in its first week, reflecting intense developer curiosity about what's powering Anthropic's latest generation models. The architecture has three stages: a Prelude (initial layers), a Recurrent Block (looped up to 32 times with shared weights), and a Coda (final layers). Rather than stacking hundreds of unique layers, the recurrent block runs the same weights multiple times with learned injection parameters updating hidden states between loops — enabling implicit chain-of-thought reasoning in continuous latent space without generating intermediate tokens. The project supports Grouped Query Attention (GQA) with optional Flash Attention 2, Multi-Latent Attention (MLA), and sparse MoE with routed and shared experts. Model scales range from 1B to 1T parameters. The key claim is that RDT achieves reasoning depth comparable to fixed-depth models with far more parameters, since computational complexity scales with loop iterations rather than layer count. This would explain how Claude Mythos achieves strong reasoning performance without the extreme parameter counts of brute-force scaling — though Anthropic has neither confirmed nor denied the architecture.

Decision
DeepSeek V4-Pro
OpenMythos
Panel verdict
Ship · 3 ship / 1 skip
Mixed · 2 ship / 2 skip
Community
No community votes yet
No community votes yet
Pricing
Open Source (Apache 2.0) / ~$0.30/MTok API
Open Source
Best for
1.6T-param MoE model, 1M context, Nvidia-free — just dropped Apache 2.0
Open reconstruction of Claude Mythos using Recurrent-Depth Transformers
Category
Foundation Models
Models

Reviewer scorecard

Builder
80/100 · ship

Apache 2.0 with 1M context and frontier-level benchmarks changes the commercial calculus entirely. Self-host for sensitive workloads, use the API for production — the 49B active params means reasonable inference costs if you have the hardware.

80/100 · ship

The RDT architecture is backed by published research — this isn't pure speculation. The code is clean, the model configs cover 1B to 1T scales, and the Flash Attention 2 + MoE integration is production-quality. Even if the Mythos attribution is wrong, the architecture itself is worth experimenting with for inference-efficient reasoning.

Skeptic
45/100 · skip

Benchmark claims from DeepSeek have historically been hard to independently replicate at launch. The Huawei chip story is compelling but also means the Western open-source deployment story requires significant hardware work. And 1.6T parameters is not consumer hardware territory.

45/100 · skip

This is fundamentally speculative — Anthropic has said nothing about Mythos's architecture, and the RDT attribution is community inference. Shipping models based on 'theoretical reconstructions' of closed-source systems is a recipe for building on a false premise. Interesting for research, but don't bet production systems on it.

Futurist
80/100 · ship

V4's Nvidia-free training stack is a geopolitical inflection point as much as a technical one. It proves the export control strategy isn't containing China's AI progress — and gives the global open-source community a frontier model with no licensing restrictions.

80/100 · ship

Whether or not OpenMythos accurately mirrors Claude's internals, the underlying RDT architecture is genuinely compelling for reasoning-heavy tasks. The community reverse-engineering of frontier model architectures is a powerful forcing function — it accelerates open-source capability even when the attribution turns out to be wrong.

Creator
80/100 · ship

A 1M-token context model at $0.30/MTok Apache 2.0 means long-form creative projects — novels, screenplays, brand bibles — can finally be processed holistically. The Flash variant's low cost makes it accessible even for creative side projects with tight budgets.

45/100 · skip

Unless you're a researcher actively training models, OpenMythos is theoretical infrastructure without immediate creative application. Follow the project for when pre-trained checkpoints ship — that's when it becomes practically useful for creative workflows.

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