AI tool comparison
DeepSeek V4-Pro vs Ternary Bonsai
Which one should you ship with? Here is the side-by-side panel verdict, pricing read, reviewer split, and community vote comparison.
Foundation Models
DeepSeek V4-Pro
1.6T-param MoE model, 1M context, Nvidia-free — just dropped Apache 2.0
75%
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Community
Paid
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DeepSeek just dropped V4-Pro and V4-Flash simultaneously — and it's a statement release. V4-Pro packs 1.6 trillion total parameters in a MoE architecture with only 49B active per token, a 1-million-token context window, and a hybrid attention system (Compressed Sparse Attention + Heavily Compressed Attention) that requires just 27% of single-token inference FLOPs compared to V3.2. Both models are Apache 2.0. The hardware story is arguably the bigger news: V4 was trained entirely on Huawei Ascend 950PR chips, zero NVIDIA. That's a geopolitical and technical milestone — it validates China's domestic AI compute stack at frontier scale. The Engram Memory System gives V4 conditional context recall (94% at 128K tokens vs ~45% for V3.2), enabling genuinely long-context reasoning. V4-Flash at 284B parameters (13B active) is the cheaper, faster sibling for production use. Pricing is expected around $0.30/M tokens for Pro. The timing — released to HN today with 99+ points within hours — confirms this as an immediate conversation in the developer community about whether open-weight frontier models have finally matched proprietary ones.
Open Source Models
Ternary Bonsai
1.58-bit LLMs that run at 82 tok/s on M4 Pro and on your iPhone
75%
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Community
Free
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PrismML's Ternary Bonsai is a family of aggressively quantized language models that take the BitNet concept to its logical extreme. Each weight is constrained to one of three values — {-1, 0, +1} — with a shared FP16 scale factor per 128-weight group. No higher-precision escape hatches, no hybrid layers. The result is a 9x reduction in memory footprint versus standard 16-bit models. The numbers are striking: the 8B model fits in 1.75 GB and hits 82 tokens per second on an M4 Pro. More impressively, it runs at 27 tokens per second on an iPhone 17 Pro Max — fast enough for real-time conversation on-device. The 8B variant scores 75.5 average across standard benchmarks, outperforming many models that are 9-10x larger. The 4B and 1.7B variants push further into mobile-optimized territory. All three models are released under the Apache 2.0 license, available on Hugging Face and GitHub, and integrated into the Locally AI iOS app for immediate on-device deployment. For developers building privacy-sensitive applications or anyone tired of paying cloud inference costs, Ternary Bonsai offers a compelling on-device alternative that doesn't require a beefy GPU.
Reviewer scorecard
“Apache 2.0 with 1M context and frontier-level benchmarks changes the commercial calculus entirely. Self-host for sensitive workloads, use the API for production — the 49B active params means reasonable inference costs if you have the hardware.”
“82 tokens per second on M4 Pro in 1.75 GB is a genuinely impressive engineering achievement. For local tooling, code assistants, or any latency-sensitive workload where I don't want cloud round-trips, this hits a sweet spot that larger quantized models miss. Apache 2.0 means I can embed it in commercial apps without legal headaches.”
“Benchmark claims from DeepSeek have historically been hard to independently replicate at launch. The Huawei chip story is compelling but also means the Western open-source deployment story requires significant hardware work. And 1.6T parameters is not consumer hardware territory.”
“A 75.5 benchmark average sounds good until you compare it against 8B models quantized with GGUF Q8 — which score similarly and have years of tooling, community support, and production deployments behind them. The 9x memory savings matter on constrained devices but less so on any machine with 16GB+ RAM. Niche but real use case.”
“V4's Nvidia-free training stack is a geopolitical inflection point as much as a technical one. It proves the export control strategy isn't containing China's AI progress — and gives the global open-source community a frontier model with no licensing restrictions.”
“On-device AI at 27 tokens per second on a phone is the inflection point that makes LLMs a platform primitive rather than a cloud service. Once inference is this cheap and fast on commodity hardware, the entire economic model of AI-as-API-call collapses. Ternary quantization is an early signal of where efficiency research is heading.”
“A 1M-token context model at $0.30/MTok Apache 2.0 means long-form creative projects — novels, screenplays, brand bibles — can finally be processed holistically. The Flash variant's low cost makes it accessible even for creative side projects with tight budgets.”
“The prospect of running a capable LLM entirely on my iPhone without sending any data to a server is genuinely exciting for creative work with sensitive material. Drafting, editing, and ideation without a cloud subscription or privacy concerns — I'd pay for that, and here it's free.”
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